Cab version of 500e powertrain

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    Cab version of 500e powertrain

    Does anyone know if there are any impediments to/or future plans for FCA manufacturing a cab/lounge version of the 500e powertrain? Love our 500C Lounge, if it were an EV it would be perfect!
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    I've heard the opposite, that the 500e is being discontinued because they are costly for FCA and they reached their credit limit required in Ca? Love to have heard wrong; I thought about it myself. I'm sure the drag of an open top would reduce some ev range but who would care?

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    FCA is done with the 500e, now that they have the Pacifica plug-in hybrid for emissions credits.

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    There's no possible way the Pacifica Hybrid is selling in the numbers needed to offset the rest of their fleet's sales, especially since regs are tightening to require more actual ZEV's and fewer partial-ZEV's. FCA will be buying Teslas carbon credits once again, but the laws are tightening, so that plan won't be viable for long...I'm very curious to see how they manage to comply moving forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbobster View Post
    There's no possible way the Pacifica Hybrid is selling in the numbers needed to offset the rest of their fleet's sales, especially since regs are tightening to require more actual ZEV's and fewer partial-ZEV's. FCA will be buying Teslas carbon credits once again, but the laws are tightening, so that plan won't be viable for long...I'm very curious to see how they manage to comply moving forward.
    I'm not quite sure what FCA is doing or going to do down the road. Rumors say that the 500e is done but no one is sure what can take up the slack. The Pacifica was touted to but I don't see that happening.

    In the mean time they are trudging along with making cars like the Demon and Hellcat Grand Cherokee. As a car guy I love it but it's a pretty short sighted strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbobster View Post
    There's no possible way the Pacifica Hybrid is selling in the numbers needed to offset the rest of their fleet's sales
    We'll have to see, because the Pacifica Hybrid just started delivering to dealers this month. But they should sell more than enough to offset discontinuing the 500e, and still come out ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G0to60 View Post
    I'm not quite sure what FCA is doing or going to do down the road. Rumors say that the 500e is done but no one is sure what can take up the slack. The Pacifica was touted to but I don't see that happening.

    In the mean time they are trudging along with making cars like the Demon and Hellcat Grand Cherokee. As a car guy I love it but it's a pretty short sighted strategy.
    Yeah they have the enthusiasts down pat, that's for sure.


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    We'll have to see, because the Pacifica Hybrid just started delivering to dealers this month. But they should sell more than enough to offset discontinuing the 500e, and still come out ahead.

    There's no way a single hybrid minivan can offset the rest of their fleet.
    Every other carmaker requires multiple models to meet CA's mandate, and they also have efficient cars in their fleets.
    FCA has few efficient cars that sell in the required numbers.

    But it's a moot point, because it won't be possible to meet the mandate with PZEV's.
    The rules are tightening to require actual ZEV's if they want to sell cars in CA, or states that have adopted CARB/CA emission standards.

    Details here:
    http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...rder-to-ignore

    Under California's zero-emission vehicle mandate, a certain percentage of an automaker's sales must be ZEVs. Automakers have been able to use partial credit from sales of hybrids and low-emissions conventional vehicles toward their ZEV quotas. But the regulations are slated to tighten in 2018 in a way that limits the impact of those partial credits and requires more sales of actual ZEVs.

    So FCA will continue selling the 500e for the 2017 model year, but if rumors are true and there's no 2018 model, then it will be interesting indeed...

    IMHO Sergio is betting the farm on a merger.
    I believe FCA will get to a point where they have no cars that sell in sufficient quantity to meet tightening mandates, and they can't survive by not selling cars in CA (or states that have adopted CA emission standards, which account for over a quarter of all cars sold in the US), forcing the company to liquidate and be sold to the highest bidder, basically forcing the hand that Sergio has been trying to play all along.
    There's too much equity in brands like Ram and Jeep to let them die...they will be attractive to other carmakers.

    While that's just speculation on my part, the fact remains that they must have ZEV's in their fleet if they want to sell cars in CA (and related states) beyond 2017. And if the 500e dies, they have nothing in their publicly stated pipeline.
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    The Pacifica hybrid is not a ZEV. Not a replacement for the 500e.

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    I wondered if perhaps it was a weight or coefficient of drag issue, but the stats speak otherwise.

    The Cab version (Abarth comps) are only a couple bags of groceries heavier, and despite standing 1/2 an inch taller, have seemingly identical Cd as the hatch version (source: Fiat 500 USA).

    Overall Height:

    500 Abarth: 59.2 (1,502) to antenna base
    500 Abarth: 58.7 (1,490) to roof
    500c Abarth: 59.2 (1,504) to roof
    Ground Clearance:
    500 Abarth: 4.1 (103.7)
    500c Abarth: 4.6 (117.2)
    Drag Coefficient (Cd)
    500 Abarth: 0.352 — with 16-in. wheels
    500 Abarth: 0.365 — with 17-in. wheels
    500c Abarth: 0.352 — with 16-in. wheels
    500c Abarth: 0.365 — with 17-in. wheels
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbobster View Post
    There's no possible way the Pacifica Hybrid is selling in the numbers needed to offset the rest of their fleet's sales, especially since regs are tightening to require more actual ZEV's and fewer partial-ZEV's. FCA will be buying Teslas carbon credits once again, but the laws are tightening, so that plan won't be viable for long...I'm very curious to see how they manage to comply moving forward.
    Trump.

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