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According to the manual, the first oil change isn't due till 7k. I thought that was crazy, but its what the manufacturer states!

At 3900 miles my light went on and the message said I need an oil change. I had also noticed that for the last 500 miles it was getting even worse gas mileage than normal (another gripe I have with this car. The best I've gotten with all city driving was 25mpg! And that was with early shifting and drivin like a granny!). So I called the dealership and made an appt for the earliest day I could get there (its 10 miles away). I then popped my hood and checked my oil level just for the **** of it. There was no oil on the stick! So I immediately went and bought some oil. I added a whole quart and it was back to normal level. I couldn't understand why it would be low. I looked for any kind of leak and found nothing.

I drove into the dealership on a saturday morning. When I pulled in I was at 4,001 miles exactly. I informed the shop guy that I had been a quart low and added some oil. He told me that was normal on all cars. I said "huh?". Are you telling me that its normal to burn 1 quart of oil on a new car? He again said yes. He told me that some oil gets by the pistons and burns off. I told him that all motors are a sealed system. Thats what piston rings and valve seals are for. And why would any get by if its a NEW CAR??? He again assured me that it was normal and had another guy tell me the same thing! At this point they must have thought of me as some kind of dumbass! Correct me if I'm wrong but are these guys crazy? I've never had a new car burn oil on me before. The car I owned before this was an 04 WRX. It burned less than a quart between oil changes, but that wasn't until it hit 78k and it was due to worn seals on the turbo!! And I was VERY Hard on her!! I was running 275 hp to the wheels! And I was a very aggressive driver! I told them that and they just kept on with the same old bullshit. At this point I was getting angry and I decided to just back off as I was getting nowhere with them.

The only thing I could think of was next oil change I leave it like it is and check once I get there (with them watching). If its low, then I'll make sure they document it. That way, if anything happens, it will hopefully be covered under warranty.

Anybody else have any issues like this? Whats your opinion on the oil loss?? Am I being paranoid?
 

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It was your first oil change? If so, I've heard that manufacturers tend to use a different oil (also referred to as "break-in oil"), so its entirely possible that the its a lower viscosity and is being used up... Not sure, just a theory. I'd monitor it, though.
 

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thats kinda a sticky subject... and the short answer is "it depends".

There is a Chrysler TSB for some of their cars talking about "normal oil consumption" - and they say 1qt every 1000 miles is acceptable (3.3 and 3.8L specifically).

Some manufacturers will say that no oil use is normal, others will say that some is acceptable... typically I will tell someone that 1 quart between oil changes is acceptable as long as there are no spots on the driveway.
I can tell you that Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda all say no oil consumption... Nissan allows 1 quart...

My advice: Document it but dont sweat it...
 

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According to the manual, the first oil change isn't due till 7k. I thought that was crazy, but its what the manufacturer states!

At 3900 miles my light went on and the message said I need an oil change.

Anybody else have any issues like this? Whats your opinion on the oil loss?? Am I being paranoid?
A new car can consume oil due to wear-in of piston rings to cylinder walls, and as has been already stated; the use of 'break-in' oil, however, in newer cars that doesn't usually happen. My car didn't use any measurable amount during the 1st 6 months of ownership. It only had a little over 3,000 miles in that time frame however.

Also, on the 500 the in-car computer uses an algorithm to determine whether to turn on the 'oil change required' light and it may turn it on at 4,000 miles (actually about 500 miles earlier) or 8,000 miles (again probably in the neighborhood of 500 miles early). It is based on what the computer determines is the primary type of driving you do.

My personal recommendation is have the oil and filter change done and then keep a close eye on the oil level in the engine....every gas station fill-up, check it. If you notice it dropping again, take it back to the dealer for further investigation.
 
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Yes indeed, this was my first oil change. I checked the oil as soon as they finished with it and it was at the appropriate level. I'm just gonna keep an eye on it. It just surprises me that Chrysler actually accepts oil consumption. I should have known better when I bought it. Lol!
 

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Couple of paragraphs from the Owners Manual PDF may help to shine some light.

"Checking Oil Level:
To assure proper engine lubrication, the engine oil must be maintained at the correct level. Check the oil level at regular intervals, such as every fuel stop. The best time to check the engine oil level is about five minutes after a fully warmed engine is shut off. Do not check oil level before starting the engine after it has sat overnight. Checking engine oil level when the engine is cold will give you an incorrect reading." <Per WLDTOPO - My understanding by the way of why the narrow time window to get an accurate reading is due to the hydraulically activated intake valve system. The Fiat engine does not use the traditional, for an overhead cam engine, rocker arm and cam(s) system>

The Owners Manual also states:
"A new engine may consume some oil during its first few thousand miles (kilometers) of operation. This should be considered a normal part of the break-in and not interpreted as an indication of difficulty."

Regarding your mpg. I too experienced lower mileage than I expected in the mid 20's for my first few hundred miles, maybe more. My careful driving habits seemed to make it worse (maybe something to do with the "learning cabability of the computer). I finally just started driving the heck out of the car and focused on fun rather than the mileage. To my surprise, the car just got better and better mileage up to about 5000 miles where it stabilized. Over the past 4500 miles I have averaged about 32 mpg. Heavy in town driving seems to be around 30-31. Highway only driving is at about 38-39. Just as a note, we have the 500c 5 spd running 17x7.5" wheels and 205/40 tires. I suspect there is some small sacrifice for the wide tires, but a benefit to the 5 speed.

Hope this helps you RedRum.
 

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I have 18,000 KMS on my car and that same light just came on for me ( I got my oil changed at 16,000 KMS) went to check the oil...BONE DRY!!!!! I had to add some, and now its going into the dealer tomorrow. The car was running for about 5-7 minutes before I checked so I think the oil reading should have been accurate. I added a litre of oil and the light is still on. My dealers service dept and the fiat specialist is very good and extremely helpful so Im not too worried about it.
 

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maybe their tech didnt put the oil plug in properly or something, who knows..I'll find out tomorrow and let you all know what they say
 

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yeah thats the beauty of warranty, if its broke they fix it!. To have a piece of mind for warranty issues I was thinking of turning to the dark side and getting the mopar intake so they cant use my RRM intake against me but my dealership wanted $440 NOT including install! RRM= $250 and took me 3 minutes to install.
 

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$3000 is actually pretty cheap if you think about it, only if you're planning to keep it for a long, long time though. The average maintanence on a used car is estimated at $1200 annually. So $3000 starts to sound pretty good if its a car you're going to keep for 5 + years after warranty is done
 

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$3000 is actually pretty cheap if you think about it, only if you're planning to keep it for a long, long time though. The average maintanence on a used car is estimated at $1200 annually. So $3000 starts to sound pretty good if its a car you're going to keep for 5 + years after warranty is done
I agree, but it won't start when the standard coverage ends, it starts when purchased and right now I'm covered and would rather do some mods and deal with this down the road, for what it costs and offers (from Chrysler too) it seems like an awesome deal, add the cost of the car, cost of mods, and added coverage and I'm over 30K....sheesh, guess I could have just went with one of the 30K or higher I'd also looked at a bit before the 500 purchase.
 
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