[ga2500ev]

I am not even sure if you can do 240v 16amps.

Of course you can. It's 16A at 120V that won't pull full power.

ga2500ev

 

[ga2500ev]

Ok so here is the bottom line, how much faster will it charge at 240 volts and 30 amps, vs 240 volts and 16 amps?

That will make my decision, if anyone knows, thanks.

Michael

Typically empty to full at 6.6 kW (240V/30A) is just about 4 hours. Everything else is generally proportional to that. So 240V/16A is 3.84 kW. Nominally 6.6 kW for 4 hours is 26.4 kWh. 26.4 kWh/3.84 kW give 6.875 hours. So the 16 A charger will take about 7 hours from empty to full.

ga2500ev

 

[ga2500ev]

That is nuts! Why would they not have in the manual that it can run 240V? 30 amps, really? How do you know that?

I didnt need to buy the other one. Too bad.

Lawyers. If it has 5-15 plug on it, the label has to state that it can only be run at 120V. If anyone decides to violate that, even it if works fine, which it does, then FCA is off the hook if anything happens.

ga2500ev

 

[ga2500ev]

Ok, so will the standard 3 prong plug and wiring on it handle 30 Amps? The wiring on it says 16AWG and 18AWG, which seems pretty strange to me.

thanks Michael

Not 30 amps. You're confusing the power at the outlet with the power to/through the device. Power at an outlet should always be read as "up to" the maximum amps. So the 14-30 dryer outlet is "up to" 30 amps. If you plug in something that draws less current, then the socket will supply only the requested current. For example an LED light bulb may only draw 15W, which 0.125A at 120V. No one thinks anything of plugging one into a 15A socket.

EVSE are designed as smart extenson cords. One of the smart features is that it signals to the EV's charger the maximum amount of current that the EV can draw to charge. In the case of the OEM EVSE, that maximum current is 12 amps. So even though 30A is available, the car will never draw more than 12 amps under ordinary circumstances.

Now you are correct that a fault condition could cause a problem. If there is a short in the cord between the wall and EVSE, then in theory 30 amps could be drawn through 14 or 12 gauge wire as a fire hazard. It would be a race to see if the breaker snapped off before the wires burned.

ga2500ev

 

[Jeandouaihy]

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El Fiat EVSE puede cargarse a 30 amperios sin problema. Está diseñado para 120v y 240v, excepto que la versión para EE. UU. Viene con un enchufe de 120v como estándar.
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Good afternoon. I'm confused. Can you use the original US Fiat oem charger that says only 120 in a 220 socket?

 

[rucallingmefiat]

Yes you can. You will need an adapter obviously, but it works just fine with 220-240V

[QUOTE = "rucallingmefiat, publicación: 1295786, miembro: 110288"]
El Fiat EVSE puede cargarse a 30 amperios sin problema. Está diseñado para 120v y 240v, excepto que la versión para EE. UU. Viene con un enchufe de 120v como estándar.
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Good afternoon. I'm confused. Can you use the original US Fiat oem charger that says only 120 in a 220 socket?

 

[Electric Tire Shredder]

Right, & several forum members have posted doing it themselves, with NO problems at all, doubling its output to nearly 3kW (the car is rated at 6.6kW).

It does seem a bit confusing, but consider this: The vast majority of countries use 220-240V, so it's much cheaper/easier for US versions to just put a 120V plug on an existing 240V unit, instead of making a completely different unit just for US, Canada, Mexico (& I think maybe 1 or 2 other countries), that won't work anywhere else.

That's why every other charger I can find in my home/garage/work will take at least 110-240V, including phones, laptops, AA charger, toothbrush, etc...

 

[AZ500e]

Great info in here, thank you all.

Brought home a 2017 500e a couple days ago and just want to make sure I am thinking about this correctly and I don't blow up my charger.

I can buy one of these (I have an unused 240v NEMA 10-30 plug - dryer is gas) - Nema 10-30P to 6-50R 1.5-Feet Heavy Duty 30 Amp(Dryer Male) Plug to 50 Amp (Welder) Socket Adapter Cable, Adapter Cord 30A Dryer 10-30P to Welder 6-50R 50A, Welding Adapter 6-50, 250V - - Amazon.com - and I'm good to go?

I have the standard charger that came with the car with the FIAT logo on it. It only states 120v use on the back, but from what I understand it can handle the 220/240 since they did not make different chargers for the US and Euro markets.

 

[Electric Tire Shredder]

Not quite.

First you might want to confirm that it won't be enough for you to gain 50 miles overnight (1 hour dinner + 8 hours sleep + 1 hour breakfast) from a standard 120V outlet.

Your link & its description have a 6-50 receptacle, so to make the final connection to the OEM 5-15 plug you need something like this:

Click to enlarge:

Found here: Amazon.com : 6-50p to 5-15r

CAUTION !!! If there's ANY chance that ANY person (including you!) might EVER accidentally plug ANY other device into it, including via unplugging the car & plugging in say a heater or drill, you should keep it locked in something like this:

Found here: Amazon.com : power cord lock

 

[AZ500e]

Got it, yeah, you're right. This one looks to be more appropriate -

Amazon.com: Parkworld 886344 Dryer 10-30 Plug Male to Household 5-15 (Generator 5-20) Receptacle Female Adapter Cord (ONLY Output 250 Volt) : Electronics

Typically I will only put 20-30 miles on the 500, but there will be occasions I'll need the full 80-100 miles and I don't want to get into a bind where I need to wait 20 hours to get fully recharged again. Faster recharging will make the car just that much more flexible, enjoyable, and reduce range anxiety.

 

[Electric Tire Shredder]

That link looks right. Better to have just the 1 adapter than 2 plugged into each other.

HOWEVER, to be safe you still need the Power Cord Lock above. Keep the 5-15/5-20 receptacle locked at all times, whether you're plugged into it or not, because plugging anything else into it could cause a fire.

 

[AZ500e]

Great, thank you! I'll order and report back on how it goes once I try it out.

 

[Electric Tire Shredder]

Typically I will only put 20-30 miles on the 500, but there will be occasions I'll need the full 80-100 miles and I don't want to get into a bind where I need to wait 20 hours to get fully recharged again. Faster recharging will make the car just that much more flexible, enjoyable, and reduce range anxiety.

Seems reasonable, but one of these might still work on 120v:

- If you'll have any warning of the 80-100 mile need, you can top it up in advance. Then after the long drive, even if you arrive home dead, you'll have 50 miles by the next morning for your typical 20-30 mile day. BTW, 100 miles is pretty much guaranteed to fully drain the battery, even at city speeds.

- If the 80-100 mile need will be spontaneous, you can easily time it to just finish topping off every morning. That way it's not sitting long at full charge, which is really only about 85% in a Fiat anyway, & hasn't seemed to make much difference, if any.

 

[ga2500ev]

Great, thank you! I'll order and report back on how it goes once I try it out.

I suggest belaying that order just for a moment.

That item is correct, but it's expensive as compared to other options.

There's a 2 part adapter that 30% off that price:

ONETAK NEMA 10-30P to 5-15R 5-20R 6-15R 6-20R Compact 240V 30 Amp 3 Prong Male Plug to 240V 15 Amp 20 Amp 3 Prong Female Receptacle Outlet Generator Welder Dryer EV Charger Power Cord Adapter - - Amazon.com

ONETAK NEMA 10-30P to 5-15R 5-20R 6-15R 6-20R Compact 240V 30 Amp 3 Prong Male Plug to 240V 15 Amp 20 Amp 3 Prong Female Receptacle Outlet Generator Welder Dryer EV Charger Power Cord Adapter - - Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Amazon.com: BloomGrow 110V / 120V to 220V / 240V Plug Adapter Electrical Converter for US (1 PC) : Patio, Lawn & Garden

Amazon.com: BloomGrow 110V / 120V to 220V / 240V Plug Adapter Electrical Converter for US (1 PC) : Patio, Lawn & Garden

www.amazon.com

Plug the two together, then plug the EVSE in one end and the other to the dryer receptacle. Save yourself almost $15 for the same functionality.

ga2500ev

 

[Electric Tire Shredder]

Nice. Although it seems to eliminate the possibility of locking with a Power Cord Lock like above, OR probalby even with a Lockable Outlet Cover like this:

Available here:
Amazon.com : lockable outlet cover

 

[tam2022]

There's nothing that gives any indication that this adapter above delivers 240V to the 5-15 socket. It's not really a step down. A 14-50 has two 120V lines, a ground, and a neutral. The two 120V lines together form 240V, while either 120V and a neutral gives 120V. So this adapter likely does the latter without any real step down.

That's correct. The OEM EVSE is a worldwide unit. It operates at both 120V and 240V. I've personally tested this and it works fine.

12 amps. The EVSE doesn't change the amount of current that it offers to the car.

Maximum is 30 amps at 240V giving 6.6 kW of power.

No problem.

ga2500ev

I have 2013 Fiat 500e, and 240 nema 14-50 plug in my garage. Can I use Level 2 Upgrade Adapter from Ideafab to get level 2 charger for my Fiat. It said 2017 model but not 2013 model. Wonder my original Fiat EVSE charger can plug to 240V outlet.
Also my Fiat OEM charger plug kinda burn, can I cut the plug and replace with 14-50 nema plug? Thanks

 

[ga2500ev]

I have 2013 Fiat 500e, and 240 nema 14-50 plug in my garage. Can I use Level 2 Upgrade Adapter from Ideafab to get level 2 charger for my Fiat. It said 2017 model but not 2013 model. Wonder my original Fiat EVSE charger can plug to 240V outlet.
Also my Fiat OEM charger plug kinda burn, can I cut the plug and replace with 14-50 nema plug? Thanks

The 2013 OEM wil work fine. I wouldn't cut off the plug because it has a temperature sensor built into it.

ga2500ev

 

[tam2022]

The 2013 OEM wil work fine. I wouldn't cut off the plug because it has a temperature sensor built into it.

ga2500ev

my plug burn like this. Should i cut and replace with14-50 plug? Or just buy a new evse level 2 charger

 

[Electric Tire Shredder]

The pic above looks to me like it might be a bit hazardous to use. Other users have reported perfect function after cutting off the OEM EVSE's wall plug & either replacing it with a higher-capacity one (OVER 12A) OR replacing it with a 14-50 (or other 240V plug).

Unless you already know exactly how to wire the latter, someone else here would have to tell you. I've seen it posted on this forum but don't have time right now to search for it.

 

[ga2500ev]

All depends on your risk and dollar tolerance. If you have the funds then buying a 30-40 amp L2 EVSE is clearly the best option as you already have the power to run it.

My risk tolerance personally is that as long as the plug works, leave it be. But it's up to you to make your own choices.

ga2500ev