What do you mean by "sprayed with an antibacterial"?

Also, I wish they didn't force you to get the bigger wheels if you want the 360° parking sensors, blind spot monitor, etc. I personally prefer the 16" over the 17" wheels because they typically lead to more ride comfort, cheaper tires, and more range.

 

Also, I wish they didn't force you to get the bigger wheels if you want the 360° parking sensors, blind spot monitor, etc. I personally prefer the 16" over the 17" wheels because they typically lead to more ride comfort, cheaper tires, and more range.

Agreed. Ideally I'd like a La Prima with smaller wheels and cloth trim.

All manufacturers insist that if you want more 'luxuries' you have to suffer a less luxurious ride.

 

I hope Fiat invest in using Tesla charging stations. You can drive clear across the country, using them.

 

have we heard what connector it uses to charge? NACS or CCS?

 

Thanks for keeping us updated, ETS! One thing I don't see any mention of is heated seats, which is a must-have for me up here in Massachusetts (and is something that was standard on the 1st gen car). Am I missing it somewhere? I see "Heated Windshield" but no heated seats. Strange...

 

heated seats, which is a must-have

I just did a "chat" with Fiat.com & took a few screenshots of them saying it does have seat heat standard:

They said they requested adding it to their publications, but they cut me off at the end so I couldn't get a transcript.

 

Oh nice, hopefully they will come with heated seats here. Sorry to hear that IanML's doesn't have them.

I'm wavering about getting one. I love our gen-1, and there have only been a handful of times in the last 4-and-a-half years where the short range coupled with lack of DC fast-charging actually caused us any problems. We have another car, so these were instances where both cars had to be taken longer distances. It would be great to have the range of the gen-2 car, since that would cover every realistic situation for us. But is it really worth it?

Besides, the new one doesn't come in orange...

 

Ill post my the window sticker for my Canadian spec red when I get home. Also lane assist and aeb are standard on Canadian cars.

 

Its activated over 50kph and pulls you back into the lane. You can deactivate it on the left stalk on the steering column

Also heated seats this am was nice

 

Here is the window sticker from my car

 

This 15" wheel-swapping thread doesn't just apply to the US: https://www.fiat500owners.com/threads/15-wheel-swap-in-the-us.156677/

You will get better comfort & range with smaller wheels IF all else is equal, like tire width, make & model.

However, range with the giant heavy stock wheels is still about five daily drives of US-average distance, & ride comfort is overall better than my old car.

My "" is because they reduce acceleration (& braking) because the mass must be accelerated both longitudinally and rotationally.

Maybe "" is more appropriate, since it makes it easy to improve with a simple wheel swap.

 

sounds to me like the same as the first gen, have to make it to sell in california, and then they don't bother even trying to sell it anywhere else, they just keep it there only, they'll do anything they can to keep from selling them

 

Summary of main differences:

• Passion is unavailable so far in the US.

• Icon/RED adds keyless entry & bigger touchscreen, but heavier 16" wheels.
  • For USA only, it also adds LEDs, even heavier 17" wheels, & wireless phone charging.

• Inspired/LaPrima includes the LEDs & 17s, and adds adaptive cruise, blind spot monitor, front parking sensors, wireless phone charging.
  • For EU only, steel roof is unavail, only heavy glass, or retractable cloth.

• Abarth makes wireless charging optional, deletes adaptive cruise & adds an even HEAVIER wheel option, but is still 25% quicker to 60mph.

 

We’ll have to really see the cost of them.

 

RED has antibacterial spray applied to the cabin air filter, steering wheel, seats, & hatch carpet.

& I personally prefer the 15" over the 16" wheels because in addition to ride, tire cost, & range, they provide better acceleration & braking due to lighter rotational mass.

 

After I read that RED has keyless entry like Icon, I saw YouTube's Electrifying said it didn't.

& after I read that RED has halogen headlights like Icon, I saw Car&Driver says it has LEDs, at least for USA.

We may get those details &/or pricing at the press release that's scheduled for tomorrow.

 

I’ve watch every You tube video on the new 500e. I put my money down on the 600e.
If Fiat decides to import it here. It will have a descent driving range, the consumer would want.

The 500e Abarth is why nicer looking. Not for $40k. It’s equipped with 17” wheels.
The 3 door 500, if they offer it here, would be great. Getting an actual human being, in the rear seat.

 

Some details are coming in, so I guess the press release happened, but even after 2PM now Eastern Time I still can't find anything official yet from Fiat, but I added a column to my chart in post #1 for the US model because...

Both Car&Driver & Cars.com report that:

• Apparently unlike the EU/UK version, the US version has LED headlights & wireless phone charging, but unfortunately heavy 17" wheels .
• Price is 34,095 including $1,595 destination charge.
• No mention of Cabrio or blindspot monitor

They both also say 149 mile range on EPA although it's not listed there yet. I'm pretty sure there's a new law coming out, at least in California, where EVs must have 150+ miles, so maybe when that law kicks in they'll switch back to 16" wheels to make it qualify.

Maybe I should be happy it has 17s, because then going down to 15s is easier to justify since it will have an even greater improvement in acceleration.

 

Some official specs now show at

The New FIAT® 500e | An Electric Subcompact SUV Arriving Soon

Explore the new FIAT 500e electric vehicle, with photos and videos of the stylish interior and exterior. Available in early 2024, but your journey starts today.

www.fiatusa.com

They confirm some of the above specs, & add. For example it has 360 parking sensors & blind spot monitor.

So I added the newly-released official specs to my chart in post #1.

 

To your point about going down in wheel size and getting better acceleration, we'd presumably get better range, too. I'm curious to see how the EPA ratings will vary.

 

Heavier wheels will have some worsening effect on both acceleration and endurance, but I'd expect the effect to be too small to affect the EPA rating. Indeed, the lower profile tyres on the larger diameter wheels might be less lossy offsetting the weight difference to some degree.

 

It only needs to gain 0.7% range, so just switching to 15s would likely do it.

EPA only tests stationary on a dyno, & subtracts a flat 30% in a lame attempt to guesstimate for air drag, so just switching to more aero 17s wouldn't help.

Neither would switching to aerodynamic sidevIew cameras if they make those legal by the time the 150-mile minimum kicks in.

However, EPA does have a secondary method where the manufacturer submits their own test results, so aero 17s might do

 

I contacted Fiat & they "chatted" me the following:

"The FIAT (500e)RED is the first drop of the 2024 FIAT 500e collection. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price for the 2024 FIAT (500e)RED is $32,500, not including $1,595 destination with availability in early 2024

What special features will the (RED) Edition contain?

FIAT 500e (RED) Edition includes features such as:
Red painted exterior mirrors,
LED headlamps and front grill details
17-inch diamond cut alloy wheels
A red dashboard

The 500e will be available in Stellantis North America showrooms starting in the first quarter of 2024

What infotainment features can I expect on the 500e?

Uconnect 5 features:

Android’s automotive operating software and faster processing speeds
an exclusive and customizable home screen that allows quick access to frequently used features with one-touch operation.
Uconnect also expands Alexa "Home to Car" functionality to include in-vehicle Alexa virtual assistant with natural voice and “Hey Fiat” wake-up word capability.
Wireless Apple CarPlay & wireless Android Auto
Wireless smartphone charging
Dual-phone connectivity
Firmware Over the Air (FOTA) capability

The FIAT 500e comes equipped with standard safety features such as:
Automatic Emergency Braking
Pedestrian Alert
Lane Keep Assist

At just over 3,000 pounds, the FIAT 500e is the lightest passenger BEV in the segment "

 

...& emailed this:

"Here are the features of the 2024 Fiat 500e

Question	Answer
What are the different trim levels / editions available for purchasing?	The FIAT (500e)RED is the first drop of the 2024 FIAT 500e collection.
What is the MSRP?	Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price for the 2024 FIAT (500e)RED is $32,500, not including $1,595 destination with availability in early 2024
What special features will the (RED) Edition contain?	FIAT 500e (RED) Edition includes features such as: Red painted exterior mirrors, LED headlamps and front grill details 17-inch diamond cut alloy wheels A red dashboard
When will the 500e be available at dealerships?	The 500e will be available in Stellantis North America showrooms starting in the first quarter of 2024
What is (RED)?	Founded by Bono & Bobby Shriver in 2006 to fight AIDS, (RED) partners with the world’s most iconic brands and people to create products and experiences that raise money, heat and urgency for global health crises Every time a (RED) product is purchased, it triggers a donation to the Global Fund to support life-saving prevention and treatment programs in communities most in need
What is the horsepower and torque?	118 horsepower and 162 lb.-ft. of torque, reaching 0-60 miles per hour in 8.5 seconds
What is the expected electric range?	149 miles (240 kilometers) of range *Please note that these are estimates and actuals may vary.
Will a charger be included with the purchase of a 500e?	A home L2 Wallbox charger system or charge credits through Free2Move Charge are included with the FIAT 500e to ease the transition to electrification
What is Free2Move?	Free2Move is Stellantis' 360-degree ecosystem delivering seamless charging and energy management to address all electric-vehicle customer needs.
What are the charging specifications that come with the 500e?	The 500e handily tackles the common concern of charge time: using the equipped 85 kW fast charger system, five minutes of charge time translates to a range of up to 31 miles (50 kilometers), more than what’s needed for average daily use. The 500e also includes an 11 kW AC-DC on-board charger and a combo 1 socket for easy charging at home or on the road, which can be scheduled ahead of time through Uconnect or the Uconnect mobile app. Estimated charge time from 0% - 80% is approximately 35 minutes with an 85 kW DC Fast charge; estimated time from 0% - 100% is four hours and 15 minutes with a Level 2 (11 kW) charging station.
How much does the 500e weigh?	At just over 3,000 pounds, the FIAT 500e is the lightest passenger BEV in the segment
How many seat adjustments are available?	The seats feature a fresh design as well, with 6-way adjustability for the driver, including height adjustment for an improved driving position. The front passenger seat features 4-way adjustability. All seating offers thoughtful use of recycled materials.
What's the song that plays when you enter the vehicle?	Welcoming entering passengers with a digital melody, the Acoustic Vehicle Alert System (AVAS) "sings” to pedestrians with a song titled “The sound of 500,” authored by Flavio Ibba-Marco Gualdi.
Are there different drive modes?	Drive modes: Normal – This mode closely resembles familiar driving characteristics. For example, the coasting experience of an internal combustion engine Range – Activates one-pedal-drive function, which optimizes regenerative braking to capture more energy when coasting • Sherpa – Maximizes energy efficiency to ensure the driver reaches their planned destination, or the nearest charging station. This mode adjusts various parameters, such as limiting the vehicle top speed to 50 mph (80 km/h) and reducing power from 87 kW to 57 kW. Full throttle delivers full power if requested
Will the 500e have regenerative braking?	The 500e features one-pedal driving, an experience unique to BEVs. This utilizes the electric motor and regenerative braking to provide stop and go function using only the accelerator pedal. This feature also provides greater capture of energy that would normally be lost and uses the electricity later for propulsion - ideal for low-speed, urban traffic. The technology pairs with E-coasting and the management of vehicle deceleration, to further increase energy efficiency.
What safety features come standard on the 500e?	The FIAT 500e comes equipped with standard safety features such as: Automatic Emergency Braking Pedestrian Alert Lane Keep Assist
What infotainment features can I expect on the 500e?	Uconnect 5 features: Android’s automotive operating software and faster processing speeds an exclusive and customizable home screen that allows quick access to frequently used features with one-touch operation. Uconnect also expands Alexa "Home to Car" functionality to include in-vehicle Alexa virtual assistant with natural voice and “Hey Fiat” wake-up word capability. Wireless Apple CarPlay & wireless Android Auto Wireless smartphone charging Dual-phone connectivity Firmware Over the Air (FOTA) capability
When can we expect more trims levels / editions to be released?	As part of its innovative marketing plan, FIAT is the first automotive brand to incorporate a “product drop” strategy to create buzz, cultivate customer loyalty and ultimately appeal. The product drop strategy involves the creation of different variants of the 500e to keep the vehicle fresh and interesting. Each model will be “dropped”, meaning released at a particular time, in a limited quantity, similar to successful initiatives carried out in the fashion apparel industry
Can I order a 500e online? OR What is the FIAT Live Store?	With the FIAT 500e comes the introduction of the FIAT Live Store, a fully interactive experience, providing live communication with a “FIAT Genius” to help tailor a mobility solution. Whether shopping for a same-day online purchase, or engaging in long-term research, customers can shop at their own pace at home or through the mobile app and use the FIAT Live Store as a valuable resource. In addition, with 350+ dealers in North America, customers can decide on a dealer-FIAT Live integrated buying process or choose one or the other.
What is FIAT Pass?	FIAT Pass offers priority access, digital collectibles and the opportunity to be among the first to take delivery of a FIAT 500e in the United States. The FIAT Pass program is a pioneer in harnessing the capabilities of Web3, allowing loyal FIAT consumers and super fans to hold a piece of the brand. FIAT Pass offers benefits and sustainable rewards while creating excitement for what’s next with the FIAT 500e Learn more here: FIAT® | FIATPASS Official Site (fiatusa.com)
How does the FIAT 500e promote sustainability?	The Fiat 500e is new to North America but has already been making an impact around the world. It has already won 42 awards and is the best-selling small car in Europe. In fact, it was named the most environmentally friendly electric car on the market by Green NCAP, an independent initiative which promotes the development of cars which are clean, energy efficient and cause as little harm to the environment as possible.

 

Mystery solved!

They seem to be trying to sell as few as possible*, without appearing to do so:

So far, the US 2024 500e will ONLY be available with red paint!

 

Stellantis North America Newsroom:

Stellantis Media - 500e

media.stellantisnorthamerica.com

Link posted there, to the US 500e:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/chryslermedia.iconicweb.com/mediasite/specs/2024_FIAT_500e_RED_FAptjnl0imkkhas137981lc0vv31.pdf

 

* Limiting sales to only buyers of red cars will reduce the number of people interestedin the car by at least 78.5%, since that's how many US buyers choose white, black, gray, or silver.

Maybe it's because they're already selling more than they can make, in Europe.

Or maybe they want to be able to join Mazda, who are now copying BMW when they said "See, nobody wants an EV", when in those cases it is/was really that nobody wants their EVs for their price, & in this case it will be that people don't want tiny red ones with under 150 mi range for $35k.