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Clearing Warning Messages/Error Codes (updated)

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#1 · (Edited)
Last edit 9/28/22. List of edits & credits at the bottom. Sorry if I missed anyone (PM me if I did).

The 500e sometimes shows a warning or error even when everything is working fine, & sometimes something won't work JUST due to an erroneous code.

There are really only 6 things to try. Here's the list, with details below:
  1. Check for recalls.
  2. Leave the humidity sensor unplugged.
  3. Check for "clunk".
  4. "Clear Faults" with OBD or multiple key cycles.
  5. 12V battery disconnect.
  6. HV battery disconnect (all 4 different sequences).

1. FIRST check for recalls AND "campaigns". Do NOT use the NHTSA site, since it shows only recalls, NOT the critical U69 "campaign". Go to Mopar.com to enter the VIN, or click here: Lookup FCA Vehicle Recalls by VIN | Official Mopar® Site. Recalls are free at ANY FCA dealer (like Dodge, Jeep, Ram...).

2: If the humidity sensor has been left unplugged, skip to #3. If not, do NOT skip this step!

It’s just right of the rearview mirror, reduces range, & causes many false alarms, some of which make the car die. Put your middle fingers in each opening near the top & pull perpendicular from the glass. Click to enlarge:

If there's no sensor there, you need to dig it out of the headliner where it was stuffed when the windshield was replaced.

With a tiny screwdriver or round toothpick parallel to the glass, stick it straight into the black socket to wedge it open & remove the purple plug. If the car still won't work, continue with #3 below.

Even though you should always LEAVE it unplugged, the cover fits, with its left side hooked on & then the right side snapped upward perpendicular to the glass. Hook/snap points circled in pic.

3: If you hear a little "clunk" or "da-dunk" when you open the left door, skip to #4. If not, do NOT skip this step!
No clunk means the 12V starter battery isn’t activating the High Voltage battery contactors, as needed to charge or start the car. IF you wait several seconds after opening the door, to hear the disconnect clunk, THEN there should also be a clunk:
  • When you turn the key on, & another clunk several seconds after you turn it off.
  • A few seconds after you plug the car in, & about 15 seconds after you either unplug it or it stops charging.
A) If the starter battery has 11.6V or more, skip to “B”. If not, replace it & check again:

Grab each end of the black plastic motor cover & yank it straight up like you’re lifting a laundry basket full of wet clothes. It’s almost unbreakable, but completely useless, so I leave mine in my garage closet. Even if the battery passes a parts store load test, the voltage can still be too low, so you have to check it, at the wires, in case the connections are bad:

Left, Amazon "multitester", starting at $10.
Center, $22 BatteryTender.com gauge.
Right, $25 Amazon "bm2"

Just like a gas car, a low 12V starter battery is the most common cause of failure. Even when a 500e is "dead" by gas car standards it will usually start, but sometimes with errors. It can fully die with no warning after only 2 years of normal use, & after that it sometimes won't even jumpstart, so it’s best to have a $25 "BM2" with one of the alarms set at 30%, since it starts reliably with 20%:


B) Enable the contactors with the $50* AlfaOBD app from Google Play Store. The contactor disable glitch is VERY rare compared to “A” above.

If you only have an iPhone/iPad, try a laptop/tablet, or ask your friends if they have an old Android, or get one for $15 on Amazon. No service needed, just download the app on WiFi. A $17 eBay ELM327 KONNWEI KW902 will connect it to the car:

*1 user reported the free "demo" app worked, but then 2 others reported it didn't.

4: "Clear Faults" AFTER steps 2 & 3 above, with OBD or multiple key cycles.

(pic from my own perfectly-working 500e)
Some users say OBD sometimes needs clearing 2 or more separate control units, 2 or more times each, before it stays clear, but maybe they just didn't notice tiny on-screen instructions for special key-positions such as "stop", "mar" or "avv" required to clear some faults:


If you don't have OBD, codes will often clear with the key off for 3 minutes. Repeat if needed, up to 10 times, but usually ONCE works for me, & the most I've ever needed is 3 times, off for just 1.5min for the screen to go fully black (not just really dark grey), but other users report needing 3 min, 5-10 times.

5: Reboot via 12V disconnect AFTER steps 2 & 3 above, & after the key is off for 3-min without opening or closing either door or hatch. A 30-second 12V disconnect worked for me, but when that failed for other users, & so did 30 minutes, 30 hours worked. Ideally, disconnect the NEGATIVE, since it’s more robust, & it won’t short out the 10mm wrench (or even pliers, in a pinch) on any surrounding metal. Retighten it until it won't twist off of the post by hand.

6: Reboot via HV disconnect AFTER steps 2 & 3 above. If your car works, do NOT try this unless you have $50 AlfaOBD in case #3B is needed:

a) Open the hood & left door & don't open or close anything else* for the entire process, to avoid "wake up" signal.
b) Remove the key, wait 3+ minutes for "sleep" mode.
Image

"Click to enlarge" version:


c) Remove the orange plug, disconnect 12V 30+ seconds, push the white part to open the black part 90º, to the center of the orange part, then replace the HV plug, then reconnect 12V.
IF that doesn't work, repeat #3B above.

Some users say that a different sequence is required, but it may just be that they didn't get it quite right the first time. There are at least 3 other sequences, but for ANY of them make SURE to first ALWAYS do steps A & B above, check car function after each one, & repeat #3B, before you continue:
c2) Disconnect HV 30+ seconds & reconnect. Disconnect 12V 30+ seconds & reconnect.
c3) Disconnect 12V, disconnect HV 30+ seconds & reconnect, connect 12V.
c4) Disconnect HV, disconnect 12V 30+ seconds, reconnect, wait 3 minutes, reconnect HV.

* I thought that only the left door woke it up, since it's the only one that awakens the HV systems (contactor clunk), HOWEVER the other door and even the hatch can awaken the 12V systems (instrument screen lights up).


7th edit 9/28/22: Copied 2 thru 6 straight off "dead 500e" post, but warning added to #6.
6th edit 9/25/22: #3A replaced jumpstarting with BM2
5th edit 9/23/22: #4 Onscreen fineprint, thanks to @jedwards1654
4th edit 9/3/22: #6 Press the white HV lock to open the black arm 90º, thanks to @rxd24
3rd edit 8/25/22: #6 Lock WIDE open before HV fuse insertion
2nd edit 8/22/22: #2B needs PAID version of AlfaOBD, & #6 can require #2B after
Edit 12/24/21: #2B "Contactor Glitch" added, thanks to @MDMTahiti & @witmannerik (for confirming it worked)
Credit for #6c2 to RatfinkHarley & BoggleMe on the other forum.
 
#6 ·
Hi
I have a great 2016 with 17,500 miles - but now got the EV System Malfunction Indicator light right after the last 100% 240 charge. U69 not done due to distant dealers in Olympic Peninsula area of WA. Car seems fine. Going to replace battery to begin Electric Tire Shredder's list if trying to see if I get it to go out and thus avoid a 70 mile trip in the winter. Question: Any advice re the actual removal and replacement with a Group 47 (H5) AGM?
 
#7 ·
AGM is not so good for heat, which is what kills our 12Vs located adjacent to the hot onboard charger. Plain old flooded cells like the OEM are better for heat. Gel might be a consideration though, especially if you downsize so the cost isn't so high. I recently switched from a $20 1/20th-size 3Ah AGM to a $35 1/10-size 6Ah gel motorbike unit, which is good for over 11 days parked unplugged with the alarm off in mild coastal southern CA. For freezing coastal WA I might go for a $50 12Ah, depending on how long I wanted to park unplugged without having to bother with the blue-knobbed cutoff switch shown below.

Click to enlarge:
3Ah AGM lasts 5 days, or a week with no alarm.


6Ah GEL lasts over 11 days with no alarm.
 
#10 ·
Thanks - see you moved discussion and read that. However, after talking with my (164) Alfa mechanic, who like me is ignorant in the EV world, he suggests I just take your other advice and get the OEM 12 volt so that, if I have to take it in, the conservative and by-the-book dealer does not freak out (difference of less than $75 here).
But I do have four further questions, if you don't mind:
1. Is the new battery like to clear the warning light since all else seemed fine and never had any strangeness until the light?
2. Is there any particular order to disconnect and reconnect terminals?
3. Is your order above to be followed as to the next steps after battery installed?
4. I suppose you had the U69 recall performed (which I will not do until summer if I can clear the light)?
I do appreciate your time and insights!
 
#11 ·
Note that there were NO error codes or ANY other issues when I switched to the 3Ah, or later when I switched to the 6Ah, so any mechanic should be able to see that any issue is not from it. In fact if someone emptied the OEM case & put a 12Ah inside, nobody would know the difference, unless they either did a load test, or left it parked unplugged for about 3 weeks for it to finally drain too far to start. Even then they'd likely just hook it up to a 12V charger (or plug the car in) & be good to go.
  1. IF your 12v starter battery is causing the problem, which is highly likely IF it's original now maybe around 5 years old (check mfr date on door or its frame - sorry I can't remember which it is). BUT I would first either check it, or try a 30-hour disconnect & ten 3-minute key offs before wasting my money on a new 12V. IF you replace it, you may still get error codes that require key cycles or OBD to clear. If you DON'T replace it, or 2 years after you do, GET A JUMPSTARTER & keep it charged.
  2. There's no 12V disconnect "order", since you only need to remove ONE terminal, preferably the negative since the wrench can't short against anything (unless the positive's red protector cover is missing), it's easier to reach at the front end, & it's solid metal with "only" a 45-degree bolt offset, unlike the plastic positive with a 90-degree offset!
  3. If there are still issues after 12V replacement, yes, follow the order, but note the "order" of the 5 steps is "whatever's easiest first".
  4. I did have U69 done (as noted on the 12V downsizing thread) around a year or so after it was issued! But I guess you're even better than me at procrastinating. HOWEVER, as long as you keep an eye on things like you seem to be doing, it shouldn't be a problem. The issue is that without U69, when the 12V becomes unchargeable, the HV drive battery tries to charge it, & will keep futilely supplying it with power until it dies itself! THEN if you leave it parked for a while the HV can have a catastrophic failure.
 
#13 ·
#14 ·
Thanks for pointing that out. That is the official EMERGENCY procedure for the safety of humans, animals & property BESIDES the car.

I advise using the officially recommend procedure in post #1 to SERVICE the car, however as I noted, a THIRD different sequence worked for at least one other user.
 
#15 ·
The 500e sometimes shows a warning or error even when everything is working fine, & sometimes something won't work JUST due to an erroneous code.
EDIT: Updated 5/8/21

FIRST check for recalls
that can be done by ANY FCA dealer (like Dodge, Jeep, Ram...) by entering the VIN here:

Lookup FCA Vehicle Recalls by VIN | Official Mopar® Site

& check that the 12V battery is good. Even when it's technically "dead" the car will often start but cause errors. & it can fully die in only 23 months of normal use. Mine works fine even at only 11.6V after parking unplugged overnight, but ideally take it to a car parts store that does free load testing.

Deactivate the humidity sensor just right of rearview. It's useless & can cause many false alarms, including ABS, RBS, ESC, HSA, PRND, SRS (airbag) etc. Mine's been unplugged 5 years:

Now try any of these, whichever is easiest for you first, since if one works, you're done!:

A) Alfa OBD code clear. May require clearing 2 or more of the separate control units 2 or more times each.

B) Key off 3 minutes. Repeat if needed, up to 10 times. (the most I've ever needed is 3 times off 1.5min, others say 3 min 5-10 times, nhtsa says 3-5min for "sleep" mode).

C) Key off 5-min*, THEN disconnect 12V. 30 seconds worked for me, but when that failed for someone else, & so did 30 min, 30 hours worked.

D) HV disconnect:

1) With the car in "ready" mode if possible, open the hood & left door & don't open or close anything else** for the entire process, to avoid "wake up" signal.

2) Remove the key, wait 3 minutes for "sleep" mode.

3) Remove the orange HV plug under the rear seat bottom, disconnect the 12V, replace the HV plug, & reconnect the 12V*.

IF that doesn't work, there are at least 3 other sequences to try, but for ANY of them make SURE to first do steps 1 & 2 above:

3b) RatfinkHarley's successful sequence, confirmed by BoggleMe, AFTER trying #3 above with no luck: Disconnect & reconnect HV (5 min?), disconnect 12V for 5 minutes.

3c) Official "Emergency" sequence: Disconnect 12V, disconnect HV (assumption is reconnect in reverse).

3d) Disconnect HV, disconnect/reconnect 12V (5 min), reconnect HV.


* Officially recommended by nhtsa.gov Most likely 3 minutes off is also plenty for 12V disconnect, since it's sufficient for HV disconnect.

** I used to think only the left door woke it up, since it's the only one that awakens the HV systems (contactor clunk), HOWEVER the other door and even the hatch can awaken the 12V systems (instrument screen lights up).
 
#17 ·
Disabled exactly how? Does it turn on? Can you shift it into drive/reverse? Can you charge it? What error messages are showing up on the screen?

Do you have a OBD reader similar to this:


and access to an Android phone.

Please answer the questions and then maybe we can figure out what can be done.

ga2500ev
 
#20 ·
If you don't want to wait the full 3 minutes you have to watch for the speedometer screen to go fully black, not just really dark grey. Then it's "asleep" so you can turn on/off again until it goes black again...

While you're doing that, you can go online & check for recalls by entering your vin here:
Lookup FCA Vehicle Recalls by VIN | Official Mopar® Site

Then if you're still doing key cycles because it hasn't worked yet, you can go online & order an OBD dongle from the link in post #17 above from ga2500ev.
 
#22 ·
If you don't want to wait the full 3 minutes you have to watch for the speedometer screen to go fully black, not just really dark grey. Then it's "asleep" so you can turn on/off again until it goes black again...

While you're doing that, you can go online & check for recalls by entering your vin here:
Lookup FCA Vehicle Recalls by VIN | Official Mopar® Site

Then if you're still doing key cycles because it hasn't worked yet, you can go online & order an OBD dongle from the link in post #17 above from ga2500ev.
I used the eom charge cord and i have the faulty codes lights on the dashboard. I would like to use the key on/off. Would you be able to guide me more precisely on that process? I’m back home Friday and can do it with more detailed guidance, perhaps a video conference would help. There is no recall for my car. Thank you.
 
#21 ·
Then you could go find a round toothpick, pop off the humidity sensor cover, jam the toothpick in the socket, yank out the purple plug & pop the cover back on, as shown here:
Humidity Sensor SUCKS! (until you unplug it)

The other tricks require a Crescent wrench, although pliers will work in a pinch, so first let us know how it goes with the above process, & also as ga2500ev asked, does it charge when plugged into the OEM cord?
 
#25 ·
There should be a pretty distinctive "clunk" or "thunk" from somewhere around the rear seat bottom.

If you don't hear that when you open the left door, & then again if you wait with it open for about 30 seconds, then your contactors aren't connecting the HV battery, so the car will not start or charge.

The contactors are powered by the 12V battery, so the first thing NOW might be to make 100% certain that there is at least 11.7 volts at the terminals while it's "asleep" (5 minutes resting with key out & all 3 doors closed).